Things pointed out in the comments that I found interesting:1. The clock that says 5.24 = 5/24 (May 24th) is also Yves' (Sooyoung) actual birth date! The cake had 9 candles = 9th member which is Yves. (That one flew over my head)
2. Yves was reading another book besides John Appleby's "Aphrodite Means Death". Check out Kain Matteusu comment for more info!
3. Completely forgot to talk about the strawberry which I think (and as plenty of you pointed out) is Chuu's actual fruit. The strawberry was a symbol for Venus/Aphrodite, the Goddess of Love, because of its heart shapes and red colour.
There's alot more wonderful and interesting theories in the comments so please if you have time and are interested make sure to check them out!
9:36 obvious facts
Idk about you but the apple may mean like the apple of my eye. Sorry if you did mention this.
apart from that painting of rene magritte, it also relates to rene magritte's painting, not to be reproduced with the imagery at 1:51. which is supposed to show a distorted mirror image, explaining deeper chuu wanting to be like yves bc of her crush.
and although it's sad i think that chuu really did die and go to heaven (eden). bc in this video she didn't actually bite into her fruit (strawberry) and is evidently still in eden as shown in gowon's mv (i am aware this video was posted before it, but i am commenting this after so) so she still is to bite into her forbidden fruit and be banished from eden.
so i think she was in the 1/3 world and yves was still in eden (that's why yves can't see her) and chuu died; when haseul came across her, she tried to wake her up – but notice the weird quick cuts – i don't think she woke up in the 1/3 world but instead in eden. that explains why she can't see haseul now.
maybe my 24th is the debut date of LOONA yyxy !!!!11
I know that I'm late to the party and this is maybe obvious, but someone notices the change of color of the apple (green to red)? That means that she grew up, she notices the true reality, right? Love your videos!!!
omg but the 5.24 makes so much sense today that their teaser dropped and the may 29th with the full moon doesn't seem far fetched at all at this point, they could totally debut may 29th oh daaamn
When Chuu bites an apple, apple turns red, apple matures. Maybe this is somehow showing us Chuu is maturing by biting an apple and then Yves finally notice and accept her.
isk if this was already noticed the but pedestal wherein they show a mockup of Venus hand with an apple is in Go Won's one&only MV,
At the end… Loona YYXY did debuted on May 29
> "aphrodite means death"> aphrodite's sacred animal = dove which is also haseul's animal> haseul = death> haseul met chuu at the end of the MV> chuu is dead??
The yellow plaid turned out to be the yyxy "uniform"
The two prominent theories are that Yves only sees Chuu when she's in the Listening Room or when she bites the apple. I don't think either of those is correct; They can't BOTH be correct since they're exclusive, but at 9:37, Yves clearly looks directly at Chuu while she is neither in the Listening Room nor biting the apple. While all of this is very interesting, I think the reality is just that Yves is content to be observed by Chuu without giving much attention to it.
Kinda late (well too late) but at 15:50 it is mentioned that Chuu is YeoJin's counterpart. This makes a tad bit more sense now since you mentioned the similarities between Chuu and YeoJin in the beginning. Also, it makes sense since YeoJin is also close to HaSeul (usually referred to as MomSeul) so there is a 'little girl' with MomSeul (YeoJin) and her mirror is on Earth (Chuu)
5:28i came back here to my loona theories and, dumbly, thought it was a penguin wtf
wow my explanation for everything was it's gay
nasa: 5/29 bbc: 5/24
= 5+24 =29 = 5/29 = strawberry moon.
*Lesbians. * we stan
The ending made me really sad.;;;;;
actually the teaser for loona yyxy mv was released on 24.05
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah this was sooooo freaking boring
DÓNDE ESTÁ EL ÓSCAR QUE TE MERECES, LA TERCERA TEORÍA TUYA QUE VEO Y SON TODAS TAN PERFECTAS
I was showing my sister this yesterday and this reminded her of The Little Match Girl and here I am watching this theory
2:41 I know it's not necessarily romantic, and everyone has their opinion of course, but after reading the lyrics carefully, it's hard for me to think that it's not romantic. I mean, it's literally saying that it's going to take her heart, and all the lyrics are about a loving declaration.Anyway, that is your opinion.
the only thing i dont understand- is there a specific reason why chuu is so obsessed with yves?
why am i crying?
plot twist bitch the girl in oec was yeojin (the only girl so far who hasn’t been placed in a sub-unit) and who was yeojin’s so called counterpart? chuu
I SHIP CHUU AND YVES!!! AND IM PROUD OF IT!!! THEY ARE IN LOVE WITH EACHOTHER!!! I DONT CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS!!!!
What’s wrong with me…
The theories are all very interesting if you like that kind of thing, but to the casual fan this is just as gay as can be and we like it like that
DID YOU KNOW IF YOU LISTEN CAREFULLY YOULL HEAR HASEULS VOICE WHILE SHES WAKING CHUU UP( shes singing the Carol)
6:21ooh yeah, maybe i can use it later in art history or for my art teach
This might sound kinda dumb but in the part you were talking about the Match Girl you mentioned she went to spend New Years Eve with her grandma… It's funny how there's the words New (Yve's solo song) and Eve (how Yves is pronouced). Idk what that means though, but it's interesting
I also think maybe Yves was "ignoring" Chuu because Chuu kept offering her green apples, which aren't mature yet. That kinda shows Chuu wasn't ready to be with Yves yet, because no matter how big the apple she offered Yves got, it was still green. Therefore, not matured yet.
i'm wondering why the apple turned red when she bit into it? is that like her loss of innocence? or her finally maturing? because after that she gets lost in the fantasy, but i was wondering the significance of the colour change
i only really got into loona recently so i only watched this video just now, so i'm sorry if this has already been mentioned in the comments! but i was wondering if the rene magritte motif in the MV could have an additional meaning. i'm also belgian, like magritte, so he's a very well known artist here and i was taught about him in school. i think the artwork i was taught about the most is 'Ceci n'est pas un pipe' (This is not a pipe), which is a painting of a smoking pipe with the title written above it. He also made it with an apple, as you showed in the video. What he is expressing through those paintings is that they aren't an apple or a pipe, but merely an image of them. I wonder if this could be connected to the MV? Chuu tries to copy what Yves does, but she isn't the real Yves, just an image of her, OR Chuu fantasises about Yves/celebrating Christmas with her, but the Yves in her mind is not the real Yves, it's just what Chuu imagines her to be like? So I was wondering what your thoughts were on that. Hopefully my explanation makes sense, I love your videos and they're really helping me understand the LOONAverse! <3
I just got so much deja vu I had to pause the video lol.
Chuu? You mean the biggest gay?
>.< omg i love your theory videos can u like do a video about oec theories too? •-• 💗
Chuu is still young at heart, she even list Yves as role model in her profile, so that is why this mv gave us feeling of real life connection between Chuu and Yves, and Chuu still doing her best being near with Yves in most tv shows guesting lol, what a cute loveteam 🍎🍓
Nope, Yeojin’s not in Loona 1/3 cos of bad grades (thats what i heard)
We can also focus on the visual, LOONA 1/3 has bright candy color visual but in yyxy there're always lights & shadow fulfilled the screen. And the main color RED heightened the atmosphere, cos red means danger. MAYBE it's the dark side of LOONA 1/3 or just from the dark world to the bright world.
Subtitles in spanish plssss 🙁
I actually do think it is a romantic love story of the first real love, but i agree to all of what you said in the music video.
Those are just my two cents. I have just found this song and didnt know Choo/Loona before so i have no idea about references to other music videos. I think this video is portraying the first ever crush. I dont know why they chose two girls for it, a bit of research told me that the LGBTQ community in korea is highly connected to this song. More to that later.
I will also include the lyrics, i cant speak korean so i rely on the subtitles but the first line is "the day we first met, inside my quiet heart". So this isnt the first day she met Yves, its the first day her love sparked. And it was the first time she felt it, her heart has been quiet before. " as if a new world has opened" confirms this. This also fits to your eden/earth theory. "The fact that i took a step towards you first, lets me find myself that i didnt even know". Choo is ACTIVE here, " i took a step", and she is about to "find herself". She is basically in the process of growing up and becoming who she really is. In other words: she is leaving childhood. Many describe childhood as paradise – Yves has already left (shes on earth) and Choo is about to. That is why Yves ignores her, she thinks Choo is just a child. Another thing is her book "aphrodite means death" . Aphrodite is the godess of love – and if love makes you grow up it means death to the person you were as a child. (Spoiler: this is the match girl that died)
Choo is 100% self focused, the refrain says: "i will give it all, take my heart". First her actions disregarding of Yves, then an order. She isnt looking at Yves, she is only focused on herself. Also " you are my destiny" as in: you are mine. A childish claim of property. And this is where it transitions into the " listening room". The picture is by Réne Margritte. Another picture you showed was the one that said "Ceci n'est pas une pomme", french for " this is not an apple". Réne plays with perception – what is real, what do we SEE and what is THERE – it clearly is an apple, we see it, round, green… Its an apple. But on the other hand it is also not. You cant eat it. Another, more popular version is "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" – "this is not a pipe". Id say if you compare an apple to a pipe an apple is way less mature than a pipe – just to meniton it.
All of this is connected to listening. She does, or lets say she tries. She starts to listen to herself. This is the reason why Yves doesnt ignore her anymore – she can reasonate with her better now. But Choo still does project it only on herself. In one scene the apple changes to a green mirror. Its not there for her to practice, it represents her projection and instead of listening to the paradoxes around her she looks at herself. She manages to " look through the apple" – but its still there. She even hugs it – she loves the big, mysterious apple in the room ("what thrill feels like").
Later she sings "dripped inside my white heart, and made it red". Red, not green. Red is the matured apple(or the strawberry).
And now the last part – the window. Suddenly she doesnt look purely at herself anymore. She looks at Yves. She is standing outside in the snow and lets be honest – nothing better than a warm room while cold snow is outside. She loves it, its not a thrill, its more mature. What she feels is " heart warming". Her words also changed – now she "finds her hidden feelings". (Still " my destiny" though).
Back in the listening room again she then continues hugging the apple, but rather in a melancholic way. She also kicks it in the room. Suddenly the apple is in her way.
Continuing with the window – she realizes the apple isnt, in the way. The apple is part of it and nothing to get rid off. The concept of Réne are highly abstract. Its both an apple and not an apple. Choo is both blinded by her first real love as well as her eyes are opened. Yves isnt responsible for her, she needs to find herself alone (therefore giving Yves the apple is useless). She turns away fromYves for a short time and eats the apple. That way she isnt blinded anymore. The apple is still there, of course, she ate it, but its also NOT there, i mean she ate you you know? And THIS is where she matures and it turns red. Not by looking at Yves, just by dealing with her own reality in a way she never thought of before she grows up and she does experience real romantic love. She lit the matches and now she sees what she needs to do to get Yves.
The first line is "its getting clearer". It continues with " WE are destiny" and "it shines fully tonight" (not only in her childish heart). And in the MV they are both seen together, both active. Choo continues with "I fall deeper into you", now her love is romantic and stronger than ever before. " this must be what sweet addiction is". Before it was thrill – temporarily, unnecessarily harsh and disturbing. Now it is calm (sweet), long lasting and deep.
And this is when the match girl or Child Choo died. Just like in the story she invisioned what will happen, but didnt experience it anymore. The one who experiences it will be Grown Up Choo.
The last scene is difficult for me since i dont know the group. There were so many references to other MVs im sure this is one as well. But fitting it to my own interpretation: Choo still looks young and the other girl mature. It could be representing Grown Up Choo. Child Choo ignores her, she doesnt understand her. And just like the little match girl that died "without anyone knowing what she experiences" Choo turns around and leaves.
Grown Up Choo looks back over her shoulder one time. She looks at the path she took, how she grew up. And then also she turns around and leaves but in the other direction. The apple remains, theres no need for it anymore, everything has been sorted out.
I could go on ENDLESSLY, how korea is still homophobic in many aspects which might explain why they choose the story of Adam and Eve for it (falling in love with a girl for Choo as a sin) – i think she even said once that she represents Adam – or that eating the apple to "solve" Rénes paradox (at least in my interpretation) is AWESOME HOLY – that flashed me tbh – but look at this wall of text… I will end it here.
If you even read it please leave a comment even only a short one, i would really appreciate to know what you think about it!
or do you mean, a wonderful new year's 'yves'??? lol, great video!
new years yves
I never knew these things were deeper than deep
I'm actually shocked. This was simply amazing. Woe
Nah it’s definitely gay. Strawberries are one of the most sensual/romantic fruits.
My theory:Chuu is a living doll that can hit notes higher than my grades
New Years EVE
but wait, if yves couldn't see chuu, how come they could all see olivia hye in love4eva? since love4eva takes place after heart attack, new and one & only? and we know olivia didn't eat an apple like other three members of yyxy?
Ik I'm late but I can't help but point out Yves's and Chuu's animals at the bottom left corner of the window. I think this shows that Yves finally accepts Chuu. It just looks so adorable.
Daebak is so straight he/she can deny the gayness that is Heart Attack
2:22 you ended up being exactly right! thats the classic yxyy outfit!
I was doing an assignment for my art class and was doing the painter Renoir when i put one of his drawings, Young Women Talking and one of the girls looked just like Chuu. The same outfit (the black and white one) and the hair was styled the same way. Also Young Women –> Girls. Girls Talk, chuu's b-side
After watching this over and over again during the year since it was posted, I'm surprised it's not mentioned at the end the penguin and swan figures are together in the window. Chuu's animal is the penguin and Yves's animal is the swan. During the video for "Heart Attack" Chuu is hitting the penguin with the golf club which means she is mad at herself for liking Yves. Later in the video she is hitting the swan figure with the golf club which means she is mad at Yves for not paying attention to her. At the end during the visions Yves is eating the strawberry that Chuu gives her and the strawberry is Chuu's fruit. Chuu eats the apple which brings on the visions and is trying to give Yves apples because apples are Yves fruit. Each member has a fruit and animal as well as color ect. The theories pretty much seem to workout and fit with what is going on through each video and song. It's really cool how they do it and you really have to pay attention to everything that happens and goes on to understand the story and how everything is put together. There's lots of symbolism and you have to look everywhere to catch things.
i love your videos im a proud greek
She reaaly spend a lot of time and effort for this, and for me people like him or her should be appreciated because only few people want to know the meaning of mvs
Also, May 24 in to lunar calender comes out to October 10th – 4 days before the XX teaser dropped.
7:05 I didn't even notice she was holding a painting until you said that lshskshs
8:07 did y'all see that little green apple rolling away uwu
I also read the synopsis for the book "aprodite means death":"Aphrodite Means Death has an unusual structure so that reading it could be likened to watching as a blurred image is brought slowly into focus. Everything begins in disarray and confusion, with none of the three characters introduced in the first section having a clear idea about what is going on or about whom they can trust. They form a triangle of suspicion, each trying to construct an understanding of the complete picture from the small sample of things they have seen and heard, but inevitably misinterpreting the events and reactions to which they have been witness."
more interesting connections!
it’s the lesbian anthem.P E R I O D T!
Their colors in the opening shots are reversed showing they’re on opposite sides of the Möbius strip. Chuu wearing yellow and red surrounded by blue/green and vivi wearing green surrounded by yellow and orange/red
jiwoo can also be seen in an outfit similar to yeojin’s in kiss later!! it’s purple instead of pink but for me it’s very noticeable and the way that scene is set up just screams kiss later to me
Dang you just made that music video sad now..
Okay I’m a couple minutes in but the apples in Yves were red only and now Chuu has green. What does it mean?
Why isn't school teaching Loona theories rather than what they're doing now? I'm learning art and literature, physics. I never knew what a mobius strip was until I started looking at the theories/
I'm late oofThe apple at 13:22 turned red, might be symbolizing Chuu growing up/becoming mature.
did u notice that after chuu got woken up, it looks at the window and there’s a swan and penguin plushie?
“notice her senpa-… sunbae!” i cANT BREATHE
When I saw the final of the video, saying "Happy New Year, see you in 2018", and I'm literally in 2019
i’m a new orbit and all these theories have me TRIPPING I DON’T KNOW WHERE TO STARt or GO
Thank you so much!!! I kind of just started with this Theory Video of yours and will quickly look up the others. I'm falling right into the Loonaverse and I regret nothing! XD
of course it's not straight up facts, the mv has no straight explanation
At the beginning chuu & yvess are wearing similar shoes & socks but chuu's socks are white which contrast with yvess all black. I think this is meant to represent chuu's innocence versus yvess more mature/knowledgeable personality.
Aphrodite means death – Aphrodite = Yves & Chuu is the match girl willing to die as long as she gets to see the beautiful visions, then that means Chuu is willing to die in order to just be closer to Yves
Also earrings play a big part in this mv. Yves is scene wearing diamond & pearl earrings, the diamond connecting her to Haseul's diamond earring is LMI. (I read somewhere that yvess is shown handing her the diamond earrings but i might be mistaken) The connection is still there & significant bc she shows up later in the mv. The pearls are a symbol of aphrodite/love.
The combination of this 2 symbols plus the book she's reasearching could be hinting that she has been planning something w/ Chuu & Haseul. Maybe to cause chuu & haseul into meeting each other by using herself as a lure with Chuu? Yves has superior knowledge to things in the loonaverse & this could be a hint she's trying to bring member together bc of hidden reasons. Just like she "brought" Vivi into her verse ? During her solo mv.
Chuu is seen wearing pearl earrings too, to signify her love/yearning for aphrodite.
During her dancing in the snow scenes, she's wearing black diamond earrings, signifying she's dying (& possible connection that Haseul will wake her up? Maybe its a signal for Haseul to interact?) She also wears dark green earrings with hearts and green apples dangling to represent her ripe/innocent craving/copying of yvess. & it continues the green apple imagery.
During her imagined happy scenes w/ Yves she's wearing similar colored green earrings but with larger mirrors dangling instead. Maybe to signify she's in an alternative reality or in a non-reality ? Or her connection with other members. And the fact the mirror is the same green as her apple/type of love-yearning, that could symbolize that the imagined alternate reality is a product of her yearning.
Or maybe that Yves is the one bringing her to that alternative reality by using her childish crush long enough to distract her & leave just in time w/o being noticed by either Haseul or Chuu. That way neither of them can know where Yves is going/planning.
Haseul was summoned by her worry for Chuu bc in lore she's mom-like. She seems to have stumble into Chuu while going shopping or w/e she was doing that was shown in the Chistmas mv with her other members.
This is the most gayest MV ever :')
I like your theory. I agree that chuu is a child representation but not in physical way. I think that at that time she’s not mature and gone too crazy for someone and at the bridge song part we can see she felt rlly sad cuz she’s being ignored too many times (she even kicked the apple). Finally the apple scene where it turned red and chuu ate it. After she woke up, she doesn’t care about Yves anymore and become more matured
So lets suppose that Olivia is Lucifer from the Latin light bringer which is another name for the planet Venus because Venus becoming visible on the horizon means the Sun will soon follow. Then John Appleby's book about the Aphrodite sculpture, also called the Venus de Milo, published by Penguin with a green, eden green?, cover would actually contain an element for each member of the entire sub unit.
If Olivia is Lucifer than her joining the group would signal the end of darkness and the beginning of dawn as the full group is finally illuminated. I think there was some important foreshadowing that was missed in the book reference and I think if you look at Egoist from the perspective of Olivia as the light bringer it changes things quite a bit.
In Egoist we frequently see red light illuminating the video much like the red light on the horizon as Venus is setting and rising, while Olivia is also descending, through her fall, and then rising through the building. When she reaches the top she is alone while she stays and waits until there is light starting to show on the horizon meaning Venus will soon rise and the sun soon after. and then Heejin appears. Notice the lighting, red to the left coming from behind Olivia and white to the right coming from behind Heejin. The light bringer, Venus/Lucifer/The Morning Star/Olivia, precedes the arrival of the Sun/Heejin and the dawn of a new era.
Also Heejin in Vivid sings about waking up and all the days are the same despite being unfamiliar, how she wants to bring back the colors, color me whole with many colors, I wish for a new day each day I wake up, and I don't want to become numb without the light. We also see her sitting alone in a white room with the light from a prism shining on her face. As we all know a prism splits light into it's different wavelengths while she sings about wanting to be made whole with many colors. Each girls color is contained within that prism split and Heejin is seeking out each of the 12 girls to become whole which is finally achieved when she meets the light bringer Olivia.
It's very interesting that as more of the future is revealed it changes our perceptions of the past. Was any of this on purpose or is it just the human condition to search for patterns and find them where no patterns exist? Did BBC set out with all of this planned in advance or did they allow the fans to create some of it? Why is a group consisting of 12 essentially children making people question theories on infinite universes? What has my life become?
i guess art, history, and lit class actually has a purpose
5:24 = 5 – may = 24th May = Yves's birthday
What is 1/3world ?
kinda cool because it's yyxy anniversary now and that part when the clock says it's 5:24 was actually yyxy's teaser date. wow bbc you fucking brilliant bastard
1:48 – well, yeah. yeojin is 2nd last to reveal in unit, chuu is 2nd first to reveal in unit and everything is flipped
Am I the only one that wonders why feathers and not confetti g when the present opens up?
I have seen a theory about three angels (vivi, Olivia hye, Yves) and Yves being an angel I forgot the creator of the theory. An din olivias solo mv egoist, shows feathers in the bed she wakes up in
love your videos, hope you can be active and supporting loona's community
Okay that pedestal 6:16 though, its also in gowon's one and only
13:21When chuu bites the green apple, it turns into a red apple. I think this red apple is Yves’s red apple.
at the clock scene,where the clock shows 5:24 i did some research and figured out that yves birthday is may 24!!
5:46 also the apple is Aphrodites sacred fruit
ahhh the story had me tearing up
one of Aphrodite's representative animals is a swan as well, which strengthens the theory Yves is Aphrodite. I saw a twitter thread a few weeks ago theorising that Kim lip is Saturn or chronos in Greek, which makes sense as she seems to be able to travel time to some degree. it's very interesting to think about loona members representing Greek/Roman gods andor celestial bodies on top of all the other symbolism.
edit: this is the thread I was talking about: https://twitter.com/witchchoerry/status/1144049217629052928?s=19
Aphrodite Means Death has an unusual structure so that reading it could be likened to watching as a blurred image is brought slowly into focus. Everything begins in disarray and confusion, with none of the three characters introduced in the first section having a clear idea about what is going on or about whom they can trust. They form a triangle of suspicion, each trying to construct an understanding of the complete picture from the small sample of things they have seen and heard, but inevitably misinterpreting the events and reactions to which they have been witness
Aphrodite means death also has 3 characters, which could be a reference, It's also written that they misinterpret events and try to put to together a picture, "Blurred image brought into focus" I think what they mean is that Chuu was young and wasn't mature but as the events take place in HEART ATTACK, By the end she's more mature and her 'vision is clear', meaning she can tell the difference between reality and imagination. Maybe this could tell why she didn't really acknowledge Haseul, and Haseul is already mature so she didn't really acknowledge Chuu too much when she woke her up she turned around and left. As you grow up you start to care less
Maybe they're telling us that when Chuu supposedly "Dies" in the MV, She didn't die physically a part of her died, maybe her obsession and love for Yves did
btw I read the little match girl story when I was in 4th grade and no they didn't change it to make it seem less sad
In a summary,BBC staff are brilliant and underestimated.They thought this through and are way ahead of their time.LOONA is perfect and fabulous.
ALSO now that I looked into it, it seems so sad.
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orbit : s t a n l o o n achuu : s t a n y v e s
My theory is that Chuu is the love of my life
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